[81custom]

Guys,

trolling ebay I saw this and was wanting to know if the information supplied is correct or not - so I sent the seller a question and asked if it was possible to register the bike for road use in the USA - and I got the reply - as shown below?

any comments?? from those who might know ?

what I sent
Dear flhrci01,From what I understand of these rare bikes is that you cannot register them for road use in the USA as Honda originally donated them to the TECH schools. ?? can you enlighten me on this??thanks

what I got back
That's a bunch of internet expert BS man. Here's some enlightenment: Don't believe everything your read from people who have never done it.- flhrci01

ebay item is
http://cgi.ebay.com....59696802&_rdc=1

[wmw]

If its so easy (and there are no worries associated with soing so)then how come he hasn't done already?? Just a thought...

[CXTURBOBOOST]

81custom, on 15 August 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

Guys,

trolling ebay I saw this and was wanting to know if the information supplied is correct or not - so I sent the seller a question and asked if it was possible to register the bike for road use in the USA - and I got the reply - as shown below?

any comments?? from those who might know ?

what I sent
Dear flhrci01,From what I understand of these rare bikes is that you cannot register them for road use in the USA as Honda originally donated them to the TECH schools. ?? can you enlighten me on this??thanks

what I got back
That's a bunch of internet expert BS man. Here's some enlightenment: Don't believe everything your read from people who have never done it.- flhrci01

ebay item is
http://cgi.ebay.com....59696802&_rdc=1

OK... Here I go on my soapbox...

He doesn't own this bike.. He can't... There was no MSO produced on the bike because Honda didn't want to pay the import taxes and instead took a deduction to donate them to schools. Technically Honda still owns the bike and can show up with the Sheriff and take it. Wouldn't be too nice to pay for it and then have Honda take it away would it? I don't think you can legally export it from the US without a title? That has always been a requirement for me on my exports.

PK

[abecedarian]

Nevermind.

[Allan]

CXTURBOBOOST, on 15 August 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

I don't think you can legally export it from the US without a title? That has always been a requirement for me on my exports.

PK

I don't know anything about the issue of donated school bikes but he does say he has a title.

Quote

CLEAR ND TITLE IN HAND ISSUED TODAY FROM NDDMV.

[abecedarian]

That's what I was going to say before I changed my mind.

There must be some statute of limitations governing situations like this. I.e. adverse possession.
I would then think Honda's grievance would be against the school, not the possessor of the cycle.

[ed h]

But it makes a hell of a nice race bike..... The dings on the body parts are always there. No school bike survives 200 bodies climbing on them without lots of damage. The motor has probably been apart a few times as I discovered with my school bike. I had a stripped bolt on the turbo also. All torque specs are suspect, rings upside down, bearings all ka ka, needless to say valves are off. Everything that can be dialed, turned etc. has been. I bought my school bike for less than a third of this price.

Not sure about getting it titled. Some states it is as simple as walking in with a receipt and not much more, especially on an old bike. My bike did have all the numbers, stamps, stickers, etc. and I probably could get it tagged here in Arkiesaw.

Museum piece, no, as it will need a full repaint and some body work, then it is not original. I have two bikes that are much cleaner than this and with not much more mileage. Look at the crap and rust on the engine, it reminds me of that "pristine" restoration that was on Ebay six months ago.

I won't be surprised if he gets his price for the bike, but it won't be from me.

[wmw]

abecedarian, on 15 August 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Nevermind.

Allan, on 15 August 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

I don't know anything about the issue of donated school bikes but he does say he has a title.

Earlier in the week he stated he didnt have a title, I have had no reason to look at the auction since, so my apologies for not realizing that he had titled it...Musta done that today.

I see also revised his description to state that the bike has never been torn down or touched.

He also states that the last 650t on ebay sold for 13k. If indeed that was the case it certainly wasn't a school bike and if I recall correctly the bike was in running condition with near perfect cosmetics; neither of which are the case here, but anyway...

Just like the low mileage 500 turbo that sold earlier this week, buyer beware...

[abecedarian]

I just emailed NDDOT with the VIN and other information the seller provided asking for proof of title and ownership.
We'll see what happens.

Having said that, it could be a school bike in a legal frame.

[Timothy_d]

Buy mine.

It's legal.

[ed h]

Well it is gone now anyway. Maybe we will see it again, or someone made him a reasonable offer and it sold.

[wmw]

ed h, on 17 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

Well it is gone now anyway. Maybe we will see it again, or someone made him a reasonable offer and it sold.

Interesting, since he had modified his description to state "I have enough interest at this point that I can't except offers. Bike will go to highest bidder."

Maybe he just got spooked about selling the bike on eBay and pulled the auction, who knows...

[CXTURBOBOOST]

Maybe Honda is taking the bike?

Please don't be ignorant enough to believe that Honda doesn't have all of the VIN's on file that were donated....

PK

[ed h]

CXTURBOBOOST, on 17 August 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Maybe Honda is taking the bike?

Please don't be ignorant enough to believe that Honda doesn't have all of the VIN's on file that were donated....

PK

But Pete, he said he had a North Dakota title and it is legit, how could anything go wrong.....

[CXTURBOBOOST]

ed h, on 17 August 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

But Pete, he said he had a North Dakota title and it is legit, how could anything go wrong.....

Yes...

And if you look really high in the sky you can see the pig's flying!!!

PK

[RichNCT]

It would seem that companies in general would not be interested in 30 year old product except to avoid liability, bad PR or threats to current income or product. Keeping their files would be likely for that reason, but I cannot imagine Corporate tasking expensive lawyers to following up on an illegally registered MC that was not making a nuisance of itself to them. In Connecticut a vehicle this old could be retitled I'm quite sure, based on my experiences with CT DMV, and barring someone trying to sue Honda related to a school bike, I think most folks would "get away" with riding off into the sunset. Furthermore, this is not a one off prototype, but a street legal vehicle sold the world over (albiet in limited numbers), with no particular skeletons likely to come back and haunt Honda. All that said, if mine fit this category, I wouldn't send the VIN to Honda asking for it's "history". Just my opinion, I'm not a corporate lawyer either. Again, IMO, the bigger problem with school bikes/engines is getting through your particular DMV, and what damage, severe or subtle, students have inflicted that may not be obvious. For this reason they should be devalued to some extent.

[George in Indiana]

Having a title doesn't make anything free and clear. Quite a few news stories can be viewed on youtube showing cars which people have owned for years being towed away by the police. Owners had no idea they bought stolen cars which had titles that went through the DMV without problems.

I can also see Honda covering their ass when it comes to school bikes. I can't help but think they got a big tax write off on those bikes and now what happens when non existent bikes start popping up? I wouldn't put it past the IRS to be petty enough to go after Honda for something like that.

If someone gets hurt or killed on one, is there a chance Honda can be sued till it hurts? If there was no MSO, did they meet US safety requirements? Are they technically DOT certified? I'm sure there's no difference between a legit 650T and a school bike but that's like building a house that's perfectly up to code but never pulling any permits or having required inspections...you're screwed.

Add that up along with Honda knowing that a bike which has been ripped apart and put back together dozens of times is more than likely a death trap.

Lastly, how much would it cost Honda to reclaim the bike? Would they even need a lawyer? And if they did, I'm sure they probably have dozen that work directly for them so it'll cost them next to nothing to cover their ass.

If I ever buy a school bike with intentions of registering and using it, it'll have to be cheap enough to justify the possibility of losing it.

[abecedarian]

I wouldn't be surprised if NDDOT contacted the seller after receiving a request to verify the VIN and title numbers and the legal disposition of the bike.

Moving forward, I would suggest everyone be suspicious of any sale item listed by "flhrci01". '
Moreover, if you query the seller and the name Loryn comes back, even more cause for pause.

[Timothy_d]

These things have been getting a pretty penny lately.

I am seriously considering unloading mine.
I am at the point in my life that I would rather be riding than spending money and constantly wrenching.

[Allan]

wildmanwill, on 17 August 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

Interesting, since he had modified his description to state "I have enough interest at this point that I can't except offers. Bike will go to highest bidder."

Maybe he just got spooked about selling the bike on eBay and pulled the auction, who knows...

Maybe he got an offer to buy it and pulled the bike off ebay and sold it privately to avoid paying the selling fees and/or to avoid any action being taken by Ebay on the buyers behalf if there is a problem when it comes time to license it.